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wednes ([personal profile] wednes) wrote2006-07-27 06:15 pm
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*salutes* Laters!

Alright children, I'm leaving town.
I'll be back Sunday night...or whenever I feel like strollling back into town.

WARNING: this is a babbly rant inspired by a disagreement that resulted in an unfreinding:
But before I go, I'd like to go on the record (again) as being opposed to the death penalty.
And I also oppose the gov't right to make lists of citizens that anyone can access, using unclear or downright arbitraty criteria in order to placate people by pointing out where the "bad people" are--be they communists, pot smokers, enemy radicals, or "sex offenders."

Over 90% of children in this country who are molested, beaten, kidnapped or murdered are victims of their own parents and less than half of those parents do any jail time. Where're the laws to protect children from their own parents?
Almost nowhere, because people don't have a panicky, knee-jerk reaction to abusers that they have for pedophiles. And while pedophilia is abhorent, it almost never results in death.
But in the end, the government should NOT get to kill people even if their mental illness makes people really, really, really, really uncomfortable. If they commit a crime, by all means, they should go to prison. And they should have counseling. And they should have lifetime parole so they don't hurt anyone. But they should not be at the mercy of everyone they meet for the rest of their lives--which is the end result of such lists.

And just to be clear, just because I don't think pedophiles should be put to death doesn't mean I'm pro-sex-with-children. Not sure why I have to say that, but apparently it's not clear to everyone.
I suggest that educating people, including children would help a lot. Not just that whole "good tough/bad touch" thing, but the dangers of secret keeping, finding "lost" puppies, being photographed by strangers, don't talk to strangers, etc . That would be a lot more proactive than making a bunch of lists that send people into hysteria upon finding out that there neighbor once had a younger girlfriend or peed in the park. Not that I'm making light of molestation or abuse. I'm not. People seem deluded by the idea that you're safer knowing some of the criminal history of your neighbors. If you want to know so bad, why don't you go to city hall and look it up? No matter who you are or where you live, that shit will make you want to move.

Besides, this is just another Bush smokescreen to get people fighting with eachother while gas prices climb and he treats the UN like a four-pack of Charmin. Like American Idol, I'm suprised and angered that people fall for it. I'd never watch American Idol, but I always fall for this social policy as law bullshit. ;-[

Ultimately, the responsibility for protecting children comes first from parents, then from the community, then...distantly, from the government. It's not as if you can assume people are safe because they're not on "the list." And if you're trusting the feds, or even local law enforcement to label all the bad people for you, you're kidding yourself. You'll have to rely on *gasp* instinct and common sense. Good luck.

And finally, I'm always sad when people remove me from their lists because of a disagreement. I'm always much more keen on talking that shit out. Too bad really. Funny though, because this certain someone was involved in more drama in my journal that anyone else...except Nate. ;-} Ah well...as the goth kids say: cest la vie!

Now I have to go spend the weekend on a boat. Wheeee!

[identity profile] stranger-tales.livejournal.com 2006-07-28 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
When she was eleven, my girlfriend was raped by her father. I imagine the only thing worse than being raped by a grown man when you're an eleven year old girl is for that man to be your father. In one fell swoop you forever lose whatever sense of security you have and you lose your father. Her knowing not to talk to strangers and not to help men find lost puppies didn't do a bit of good because her father didn't need to sweep her off the street. He simply went to her bedroom and did what he wanted with her. It so happens that he's now serving time in Arizona. So I guess he's paying his debt to society. But he'll never, ever be able to pay his debt to her. How could he possibly?

Would killing him solve anything? I suppose not. It certainly won't bring back whatever he took from her that day. Taking his life won't change the fact that she's been forever scarred by his actions. Theoretically it might prevent him from doing the same to someone else but we can't punish a crime that hasn't been committed. That wouldn't be fair, would it?

In the end, this is one of those scenarios that can't fully be appreciated until you've experienced it first hand. Even if you know someone who such a thing happened to. That's just not the same as if it were your own child. And there aren't too many people in this world, regardless how fair minded or how liberal they may be, who, upon learning that their child had been molested, wouldn't be screaming for that person's blood.

And they should have lifetime parole so they don't hurt anyone. How exactly would that prevent a criminal from hurting anyone? Parole can no more prevent crime than a restraining order or a background check.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2006-07-31 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
That is horrible to hear about your girlfriend. No one should have to endure anything so ghastly.

I don't normally discuss my own history of molestation in this journal, for the potentially obvious reason that I don't like talking about it.
I certainly understand the array of emotions that people go through, even though my first molestor was a non-blood related uncle and not my dad. He would follow me into the bathroom at family gatherings and watch me...then it escalated. For me, the worst part was that it made me throw up, and my mom would drag me out of the gathering telling me how much I'd embarassed her. She assumed I'd eaten a bunch of food and made myself sick because she wasn't watching me "every single minute." I did fantasize about killing him as a child, and indeed, my first novel contains the murder of a neighborhood pedophile as a sub plot. But while I understand the emotion involved, I fantasize about plenty of things I wouldn't want to face the consequences of (emotionally or legally) if I did them--murder being near the top of the list.

And they should have lifetime parole so they don't hurt anyone.

This was actually written in haste so I didn't really phrase it properly. What I was getting at was that someone should be keeping an eye on convicted or confessed rapists (and other violent criminals for that matter) when they get out of prison--making sure they have meds and therapy, or an ankle bracelet even, would do more good than making up a list that treats people who pee in the park the same as predatory pedophiles. People often are released from prison without treatment or meds; obviously, for certain mental disorders that's very dangerous to the public.
I just think that people trained in the treatment of such disorders should decide what the ongoing preventative therapy should be, rather than the town mob. Mob mentality can also be a very scary, violent, and dangerous thing.

Certainly, whenever someone hurts a child, our first instinct is often vengeful. People acting out of greif though, are not the best ones to make life or death choices about people they (in all liklihood) do not know. I also maintain, although reasonable people can disagree, that executing the mentally ill is just plain wrong.