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wednes ([personal profile] wednes) wrote2005-04-08 11:02 pm
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Alright dammit...

I've commented about this enough times that I guess it's just time to post my thoughts. People, calm down! Cookie Monster accepting cookies as a "sometime food" doesn't hurt you or your childhood in any way. It is not blasphemy ala "Cathy & Irving" or "Loonatics". Okay, for adults, the news that cookies should not be constantly shoveled down your gullet is old news. But it is a valid lesson for 3 year olds.

Sesame Street has the opportunity, and probably the duty, to bring good lessons to kids. Just let them do it already! Changes such as Snuffy's visibility and Big Birds nest blowing down not only choked me up, they represent an unsurpassed level of societal awareness and positive message giving. Not to mention that Sesame Street was committed to mulitcultural casting 20 years before it became fashionable.

Moving on, tonights L&O TBJ was the best yet. I like seeing Jamie Ross as a judge without any eye makeup. I can't remember the last time I saw a woman on scripted television without eye liner. Neat! And apparently, Detective Green is going to get shot next week. So that will be some shit!

With regard to racism, I can't beleive there are still people who say minorites "can't be racist because you can't oppress up." This is absurd. Racism isn't simply oppression, it is an expression of hatred. If you hate someone because of thier race, then you are a racist.

Have you heard about this school district where teachers aren't allowed to correct papers with red pens? Aparently, red ink is too upsetting for students. First of all, red pens being upsetting is connotative because people associate it with scolding on paper. So changing the color only makes a temporary difference. If red were that upsetting, fire trucks and the flag of Japan would piss me off a lot more.

I've been reading tarot cards for money these days since I don't have an income. Anyone who would like a reading may feel free to Email me.

I had a lovely evening of dinner with Kassy. She brought me a Harry Potter pop-up book and a gift certificate for Borders. Mmmmmm...Borders.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
I think a lot of people use "racism" and "race discrimination" or "prejudice" interchangeably, when there is actually a dynamic difference between the two. While anyone can be prejudiced or discriminatory, "racism" requires the added effect of Power Over that minority groups just don't have. Under that definition (which is not a "dictionary" definition but more of a social sciences definition), minority races cannot be racist against the majority race.

racism = racial prejudice + power

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
Upon seeing this, I went to Wikipedia with the intention of supporting my assertion with current fact. According to them, both are correct:

Racism has historically been defined as the belief that race is the primary determinant of human capacities, that a certain race is inherently superior or inferior to others, and/or that individuals should be treated differently according to their racial designation. Sometimes racism means beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed race. There is a growing, but somewhat controversial, opinion that racism is a system of oppression -- a nexus of racist beliefs, whether explicit, tacit or unconscious; practices; organizations and institutions that combine to discriminate against and marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation, based on that designation.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup, which is why I said it wasn't a dictionary definition but more of a social science definition. It was't meant as a discredit of what you said, just more to try to explain where the "other side" is coming from.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I hear ya. I was first introduced to that definition in college (yikes! over 15 years ago) and have struggled with it ever since.

I think when I encounter the assertion that minorities "can't be racist" it tends to be within the context of someone defending prejudiced humor. You know, this kind of Bernic Mac championed comedy-of-manners that is really popular today. I think it is really low brow and unfunny, especially since if the races were reversed, people would boycott.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think that stuff is funny either. Sometimes I laugh at stuff when it is targeted at my own groups by people in my own groups, but usually any humor that is making fun of people turns my stomach. I guess I'm more of a "stupid funny" than a "mean funny" kind of person.

*shrugs*

[identity profile] nate101000.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
There is no humor without cruelty. All sources of humor have a victim. I defy anyone to name a single funny joke or incident that did not have a victim.

The only reason we laugh is because if we didn't, we would cry. Well, the chicks would. Men don't cry, they blink.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Watch Trigger Happy TV sometime. It's a fine example of hilarious, victimless comedy.

I do not think all jokes are cruel, even though I concede that many are.

[identity profile] nate101000.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Can give me an example of a joke without a victim?

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Why is six afraid of seven?

Because seven ate nine.

I suppose one could make the case that nine is the victim here, but I don't think so.

Another is that fine joke that ends with "orange you glad I didn't say bannana". Classic. Puns are jokes, and they have no victim. An d even if a joke does have a "victim" per se, it doesn't nessesarily have to be cruel.

[identity profile] nate101000.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Those aren't funny. Sorry. Give me an example of a funny joke without a victim.

Rare exceptions there may be, but as a whole for something to be funny, we need a victim.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
It sounds like you're saying YOU need a victim in order to find it funny. This is a matter of aestheticism rather than comedy theory.

[identity profile] nate101000.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Really? So you think that comedy doesn't need a victim? Then name a single successful comedic venture without a victim. One movie, or one act, or one really funny joke. Name a single joke that gave you a case of uncontrolled laughter that didn't have a victim. Seriously think back on all the things you laughed at this weekend.

And it's not my assertion. I stole it from 'Stranger in a Strange Land'.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I do concede that victimization is a common theme in comedy. But it is not required for the funny. The movie Zoolander has a lot of funny, non-victim related comedy even though the focus is the parodying of models.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2005-04-15 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
I dunno. I like a lot of stupid play-on-words jokes that don't have victims. Knock knock jokes and other little silly things like that.

[identity profile] nate101000.livejournal.com 2005-04-15 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
After discussing it with Wednes I decided that a victim isn't absolutely necessary. Seinfeld for example often has humor that doesn't involve a victime. But for the most part there is a victim.

(Anonymous) 2005-04-11 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Naturally I agree. For some reason I can't seem to explain to enough people, that just because other rich white men have a bunch of power does not mean that I have any power at all.

By the way, you should see 'Guess Who' when it's on TV sometime in the distant future. Kim dragged me to see it on free passes yesterday, and it didn't totally suck, and I did laugh. Although upon later reflection, Bernie Mac's character never actually admitted that Ashton's character's whiteness was a problem, even though it clearly was. I'm not sure why they didn't do that. My best guess is that they didn't feel it necessary to spell it out, since everybody did learn their lesson in the end. They made it clear that in the end everybody understood that color doesn't matter. But it's also possible the motive for this omission was more nefarious.

Anyway, I thought of something more I wanted to say. The notion that minorities can't be racist because minorities don't have power, and white people do is absurd on it's face anyway. It assumes that there is a giant white conspiracy to keep the black man down. It also assumes that all white people have benifitted from racism, which is certainly not the case.

It would be nice to have a list of quotes of famous black people asserting the notion that minorities can't be racist. That way in 30 years when whites are the minority, we can be as racist as we want and no one can say shazbot about it. I've decided I like that word. Shazbot.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, but why aren't you signed in?

[identity profile] nate101000.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I was. It's strange.

[identity profile] nate101000.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Naturally I agree. For some reason I can't seem to explain to enough people, that just because other rich white men have a bunch of power does not mean that I have any power at all.

By the way, you should see 'Guess Who' when it's on TV sometime in the distant future. K dragged me to see it on free passes yesterday, and it didn't totally suck, and I did laugh. Although upon later reflection, Bernie Mac's character never actually admitted that Ashton's character's whiteness was a problem, even though it clearly was. I'm not sure why they didn't do that. My best guess is that they didn't feel it necessary to spell it out, since everybody did learn their lesson in the end. They made it clear that in the end everybody understood that color doesn't matter. But it's also possible the motive for this omission was more nefarious.

Anyway, I thought of something more I wanted to say. The notion that minorities can't be racist because minorities don't have power, and white people do is absurd on it's face anyway. It assumes that there is a giant white conspiracy to keep the black man down. It also assumes that all white people have benefited from racism, which is certainly not the case.

It would be nice to have a list of quotes of famous black people asserting the notion that minorities can't be racist. That way in 30 years when whites are the minority, we can be as racist as we want and no one can say shazbot about it. I've decided I like that word. Shazbot.

[identity profile] brettsyboy.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
racism needs power?? ug, if someone calls a black man a racist, EVERYBODY knows what it means, its just language, and language is too confusing as it is. a wise man said ".....the creator of all violence, without speech there will be no deceit" everybody is a fuckin racist. my sister got mugged on the train the other day, she was called a 'white bitch' they had the power, there you go , they were fuckin racist. why cant we all get along and smoke crack like civilized assholes?

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
I have a feeling that this will generate a lot of comments.

[identity profile] judecorp.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Truest. Comment. Ever.

[identity profile] figureight.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
Mm borders, heaven

[identity profile] everythingtold.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
Oh heck yes! I do think minorities can be racist/prejustice. I know several black kids who think they own the schools and hate all white kids. Those kids, of course, are few and far between. Anthony has a prob with a kid like that in his class - his mom teaches across the hall. She's (I'm sure) aware of what's going on but she's got a new baby and I know her home situation sucks b/c she came up to me drunk and crying at a bar once. Let's say the kid's daddy is an asswhipe. A BIG asswhipe. While that doesn't excuse her kid from being one, she can't focus her attention on waht she needs to focus on (DaRius). She's a good teacher and very nice though. I don't think she's prejustice but her boy's daddy is. The boy learns from him and the thugs he hangs around. HOWEVER the kids in the neighborhood (and other classmates) are perfectly OK. It made me sad, though, when a neighbor kid (Manté, 6) said "When Anthony goes to Liberty (Elementary) I'll protect him. He shouldn't think that way. Sweet kid but SERIOUSLY.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I have wrestled most of my life with the irrational and racist fears my mother implanted in my during my youth. I am glad to say that I am fully aware of their absurdity, and I embrace other cultures now. If I didn't, Ann Arbor certainly would be an akward community to live in. It kills me when people say that all Asians are bad drivers, or that all Irishmen are drunks, etc... We are all individuals.


Mr Gregory corrected my English papers with a green pen, and getting less than a B still sucked in green.
And Cookie Monster is really cool.

[identity profile] anarchys-savior.livejournal.com 2005-04-09 02:14 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG!!! LOL

My middle school wasn't allowed to grade with red pens! They said "red means stop, and discourages students. Green means go and makes them excell." It was so stupid. A red F sucks just as much as a green F.

[identity profile] locakitty.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
For Cookie Monster, I just felt bad for Cookie Monster...only sometimes *sob* :)
TBJ was good, I stayed up to watch it, only my second time watching the show and I only watched it because of Jamie, one of the few lady ADAs that I liked (Jill Hennessey was the other one). Good episode though.
Green better not die. I will be pissed :)
I have nothing to say about racism, but the red ink thing...*sigh* let your children grow a set, thank you.
:D :D :D