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wednes ([personal profile] wednes) wrote2009-04-10 03:08 pm
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Dammit! And stop drinking the kool-aid.

Yahoo! just took it upon itself to delete everything in my inbox. So if you've sent me and Email and are wondering why I haven't responded, that's why. How damn annoying. I had a bunch of Emails in there too.

I had another LOST comment I thought of: if Richard Alpert does turn out to be an ancient Egyptian, wouldn't that totally explain the eyeliner? Ha! It would!

Still quite congested and coughsome. Slowly getting better though.

Went to IHOP for lunch (spinach omelette) with a former co-worker. She's a nice lady, the kind that has a zillion stories to tell. I'm off today since I have to work tomorrow. Plan is to take a short nap and get up and get some writing done. I may even be able to get some writing done at work tomorrow too. Depends on whether or not we're busy.

Wanted to get my hands on Season Five of The Practice. That is, of course, the season that features William Hinks. Michael Emerson won his first Emmy for playing that role; and he was superb. Anyway, no luck yet. Maybe I'll check out Hulu.

My plan to read less news and political crap is not going to well. Ignorant people will insist on drawing me into arguments I can't believe I'm having in contemporary America. For the point of clearness, here are a few facts:

1. Other than the fact that he is charismatic and leading a country through dark times, Obama is not like Hitler. If you think he is, you are a fucking idiot.

2. Gay marriage is not hurting The Family, our values, or our children. The assertion that gays should instead marry people of the opposite gender is ludicrous and nonsensical and in fact WOULD be an affront to marriage.

3. Islam is no more violent or repressive than Christianity, historically. To imply that Islam is wicked and evil and that Christianity is great and good is a product of being either grossly uninformed or a hypocrite of the highest order.

4. It is not weakness to show manners and respect toward foreign leaders.

5. It is not Un-American to imply that America has shown arrogance. If you honestly don't see how we have been arrogant as a nation, you are part of the problem.

[identity profile] sudrin.livejournal.com 2009-04-10 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved the daily show segement about how Fox news reported that Obama hadn't been to church in 11 weeks! Oh no!! His faith must have collapsed! He's a sinner!!! lol

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-10 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Right. Maybe he hasn't been to church because he's been RUNNING THE FUCKING COUNTRY!

[identity profile] leemoyer.livejournal.com 2009-04-10 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Points 1 - 5 - THAT.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-10 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
:-]
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2009-04-10 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with all your points and wonder where some people left their brains. Or did the zombies get to them already?

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-10 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
It's quite scary actually. I mean, these people sound delusional yet they're so SURE of themselves.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2009-04-10 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods* Have you seen Religulous? The movie's full of people like this. Bill Maher has a super time with them.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-10 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't seen it yet. I kinda hit or miss with Maher.
His opinions on women are...not so good.
groovesinorbit: (willow and buffy)

[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2009-04-10 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I didn't know that. Or I conveniently forgot. He actually comes across all right on that topic in this film, the little that we're mentioned.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-10 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe he's chilled out a bit. His old stand-up used to be quite sexist. It's a drag too, because I agree with his stance on a lot of things.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2009-04-11 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
He might have chilled. How could he not, having Roseanne on his show so often?

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved religulous. The God zealots are so whack!

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
But...much of the GOP, which you openly support is full of people who don't want evolution taught in schools, they want the 10 commandments put in public buildings, and want everyone to confrom to their backward-ass ideas about gay marriage and stem cells. It seems that the only part of the bill of rights they DO support is the right to bear arms.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I debate those things with my super righty friends Thayrone and Linda...and also with my cousin Chris.
Thayrone is way opposed to gay marriage. Chris doesn't believe in evolution, and all of them are against embyonic stem cells.

I can't figure out why anyone cares about saving stem cells that otherwise would never be implanted to make a kid. I'd rather have them do some good, and I go round and round with my far right pals about that. I can't convince them that man created God to answer the unanswerable questions, "Why am I here?" and "What happens to me after I die?"

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I've got news for you. If you think Obama is like Hilter, you're beyond the "super righties." Even the GOP isn't publicly making that preposterous claim.

If bowing to a leader is tacitly agreeing with his policies as you claim, how is voting Republican not openly supporting their policies? When you vote for those people, you vot for everything they stand for.

And before you make another comment about fiscal conservatism, keep in mind that the last great fiscal conservative was Bill Clinton.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd vote libertarian if I thought they had a chance. I wasted a vote for a third party candidate in '92. (Perot)

[identity profile] hellamama.livejournal.com 2009-04-12 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Usually people who are so utterly sure of themselves are somewhat delusional. And dangerous, IMO.

[identity profile] derekfz.livejournal.com 2009-04-10 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Having read of your troubles with Yahoo mail (you know, just now), I sent you a gmail invite. Maybe you already use it, or maybe you don't care to, but I'm just looking out for ya. ;)

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-10 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, thanks man.
Nice of you to think of me.
I actually have a gmail account, and will likely be using it more.

[identity profile] sugarytea.livejournal.com 2009-04-10 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my on the email front - I use yahoo too and have for years, I have thousands of emails there....
um that's scary.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-10 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it was kind of a drag.

[identity profile] maxverbosity.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
"1. Other than the fact that he is charismatic and leading a country through dark times, Obama is not like Hitler. If you think he is, you are a fucking idiot."

Pretty much, yes. I don't understand where people draw the parallel. Now, the previous president and THAT cult of personality which passed for leadership for THOSE eight years, it's a closer comparison on many levels to 1930s Germany....

"2. Gay marriage is not hurting The Family, our values, or our children. The assertion that gays should instead marry people of the opposite gender is ludicrous and nonsensical and in fact WOULD be an affront to marriage."

Absolutely. To insist that two people of opposite gender should marry simply because of the social perception that it is normal means you obviously have no f-ing clue what marriage is about anyway.

"3. Islam is no more violent or repressive than Christianity, historically. To imply that Islam is wicked and evil and that Christianity is great and good is a product of being either grossly uninformed or a hypocrite of the highest order."

Christianity is easily the one which has inspired the most violence of the three major monotheistic faiths. Easily. More people have died in the name of the Christian "God", therfore in futility, than anything else in religion.

"4. It is not weakness to show manners and respect toward foreign leaders. "

Funny how some believe it is? We cannot show people who are not American human courtesy and the respect which goes with their titles apparently.

"5. It is not Un-American to imply that America has shown arrogance. If you honestly don't see how we have been arrogant as a nation, you are part of the problem."

I would be one of the first people to say that this country has been, for a long time, the worst sort of arrogant. We just left behind an administration whose smugness suffocated just about every relationship we had spent years building.

Great points! I just wanted to add my twenty dollars (I never stop at two cents. Hehe)

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL, thanks Lorne!

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't mean to be ignorant.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I wholeheartedly agree with point #2.

#1, the parallels are clear.

#3, Islam is pretty fucked up, but so are all organized religions.

#4, Manners are one thing, but to respect those that aare evil is to condone their actions.

#5 I never got the the Bush administration was arrogant. Stupid, yes, arrogant, I didn't see it.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
#1. If you want to, I wouldn't mind hearing in your own words, how you can defend an absurd statement like that. And please, base it on things Obama has actually done, rather than things you're afraid he might do.

#3 What, exactly, do you find "fucked up" about Islam that is not equally present in Christianity? I don't mean Islam the way the Taliban practices it, but Islam the way it is actually written in their holy books.

#4 So what should he have done, punched him in the face?

5# Among other things, constantly proclaiming that America is the "greatest country in the world" while we pillage other lands, start wars for dishonest reasons, watch our poor remain hungry, sick and uneducated, and run our economy into the ground seems a tad arrogant to me.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
#1 is mostly on what he might do, based on the early days of Hitler and how the early days of Barack's administration are going. It is speculation.

#3 Just the need to eradicate infidels, and the treatment of women.
The Koran talks of slaying unbelievers, and is very oppressive to women.
I believe that no one should have to believe in a god. I also think that women are way too cool to treat like
shit. Hijabs and Niqabs are no way for a woman to have to dress. They should be able to show their face, and
maybe get a cute houndstooth skirt if they want. Lots of libs overlook the subjucation of chicks in the muslim
world. It's mean.

#4 He should not have bowed to the guy. Our president should never bow to some middle eastern leader. We're above
that. We need to show them our strength, not give tehm the impression we're gonna just let them spread their
hatred.

#5. FDR and his new deal crap...the democrats and thier continued pandering to the welfare class keep them down.
When a candidate promises to increase spending on the needy, and then says
"Don't forget to vote," it's like buying votes.
There has to be a way to figure out how to inspire these stubborn kids so they want to learn. There is actually
peer pressure in some demographic groups that criticize the other kids if they start dressing like a normal
person or speaking decent English.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
#1 So...nothing then. Maybe before you call someone Hitler, you should wait until they actually do something Hilter-like.

#2 The Bible also talks about slaying unbeleivers, and is also extremely oppressive to women. I'm shocked that you don't know that already. I don't know what "libs" ignore the subjugation of muslim women. The rest of your comments have nothing to do with Islam.

#3 That is nothing but a racist rant.

#4 None of that has anything to do with America being the most arrogant nation in the world. I also don't see how helping the poor is "pandering" or how it "keeps" anyone "down." Do you know anything about how the welfare system works?

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't call him Hitler, I said he has the potential to do terribly Hitler-like things.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Who on earth doesn't have the potential to do terrible things?
That's an asinine statement.
Judge a man by what he DOES, not by what he might do in some insane reality you and FOX news made up.

[identity profile] maxverbosity.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
"#1, the parallels are clear."

And these would be....what? I don't see the Schutzstaffel or any other group wandering the streets.....I don't see Rahm Emanuel as the next Hermann Goering, especially as he doesn't wear tutus and consume entire bakeries. What are you basing this on?

"#3, Islam is pretty fucked up, but so are all organized religions."

Compared to the deity of the Bible, Allah is pretty tame if you read the Quran.

"#4, Manners are one thing, but to respect those that aare evil is to condone their actions."

And what is proper diplomatic protocol? It doesn't matter, in those situations, whether or not you personally would govern as the other person does. Smile and eat the dinner.

"#5 I never got the the Bush administration was arrogant. Stupid, yes, arrogant, I didn't see it. "

How was it NOT arrogant?

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
He never had that "I'm better than you" attitude. He just came across as a boob. It may be my own arrogance, because I see him as a fool. I can't imagine a fool being arrogant. One has to have something between their ears with which to base their confidence. I actually percieved him as a person with self esteem issues. i think he came across as confident in 2001, but within the last four years he just seemed inept.

[identity profile] maxverbosity.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
George Bush absolutely had an "I'm better than you" attitude with people, and he was a fool at the same time. It is possible. He truly believed that, by virtue of being President, he should be able to violate the rights of others without question or regard, and he did - Guantanamo, torture of terror suspects, the Patriot Act that I would personally love to piss on, the isolationist "lone wolf" attitude of the foreign policy.....all of it was arrogant.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
But we had to torture those dudes. Besides, Guantanamo is a pretty nice place to be incarcerated. They got all the right food and treatment based on their religious beliefs.

Wow, I never got the "I'm better than you attitude." I'll have to look at some old news footage. I don't doubt you saw it, but with me thinking I'm better than him, I never noticed it. Any doof who can't say "nuclear" seems like a rube.

[identity profile] maxverbosity.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Nobody needs to torture anyone. There should have been a principled objection to such practices, but the Bush administration submitted to a human weakness and just tortured people for some short-term emotional gain. I have grave doubts that it was for any sort of information, particularly since it is widley known in psychological literature that torture is not a reliable way to get information - they are in fact experiments to back that.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2009-04-11 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, but did you just say we "had" to torture those dudes?

And why might that be?

Let alone the basic human rights issue, we don't torture because when American soldiers are captured, we don't want them to get tortured.

A "nice place to be incarcerated"? I'm going to assume that's a poor attempt at a joke. I don't know on what planet sleep deprivation, starvation and torture are considered the "right treatment" or are you in complete denial about what went on there?
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2009-04-11 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I doubt it's a joke. Another lj friend of mine has a right-wing friend who spouts the same crap. It's just another line from Fox News.