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wednes ([personal profile] wednes) wrote2007-02-15 08:26 pm
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Relapse can fucking kill you, it seems.

The only thing worse than hearing about a person freezing to death outside is hearing that it was someone you knew, liked, and respected.

Myself, I am a pretty staunch anti-drunkeness person.  I have a drink or two every now and again. But I have not known one single person in the history of time whose personality was improved by booze. Alcohol is also the most dangerous drug to detox from, more people die detoxing from alcohol than heroin and cocaine put together.

Did you also know that 90% of the alcohol sold in the US is sold to alcoholics?
This seems to suggest that only 10% of people are actually drinking responsibly like the commercials plead.
EDIT: Actually, not.  See comments below.


Anyway, a woman from my Group relapsed, got lost in the snow, and died in the middle of the damn city.
She was not yet 40 years old.
She could have gone to any number of people, myself included, for a place to crash, but her alcoholism simply would not allow her to take care of herself.   As you might imagine, I am both angry and sad.



In other news, I did not get over to see Christopher Moore at Borders today.
My hero, right here in town, and I didn't get to go say hi. 
That's also kind of a drag...

[identity profile] lirrin.livejournal.com 2007-02-16 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
I'm really sorry to hear about the woman from your group. :( That's pretty awful.

I think you're misinterpreting the stats on drinking. You're assuming equal quantities are being sold to alcoholics and non-alcoholic drinkers, and I would say that's completely and totally unlikely. Assuming the 90/10 is correct, look at it this way:

A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, and J all drink sometimes.

A is always in a stupor and has 82 drinks a month.
B - J are light social drinkers and all have 2 drinks per month.
Total drinkage = 100 drinks, of which A consumed 90% all by his/her lonesome, yet 90% of the drinking population was being "responsible". That's a severely skewed example, but you get the idea.

Drink is a really stupid word. Drink drink drink drink.

And I am really sorry about your group friend. :(

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-16 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
That sounds more reasonable than what I was thinking. I know plenty of people who drink, but only a few of them are alcoholics.

And yeah, it was quite a shock.

[identity profile] diachrony.livejournal.com 2007-02-16 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my ...

I am so sorry to hear about the woman from your Group. That's some extreme suckage. :~(

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-16 06:36 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. I mean, who the hell expects something like that to happen?

And it makes me very sour on the whole alcohol issue, in case you didn't notice. ;=/
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[personal profile] itches 2007-02-16 06:37 am (UTC)(link)
'more people die detoxing from alcohol than heroin and cocaine put together.'

Uh ... how many more hundreds of millions of people drink alcohol then do heroin and cocaine put together? Hundreds of millions might be a low estime, it could be over a billion people. (I'll try to find some stats)

More people world wide get killed in car accidents then hovercraft acidents. That doesn't mean a hovercraft is safer.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-16 06:58 am (UTC)(link)
Very few people die while detoxing from cocaine or heroin. They mostly die from doing too much or getting an impure batch. Alcohol is the most dangerous drug to detox from based on the percentage of people who die while detoxing, not simply based on the number of deaths. Give me a little credit.

I had occasion to review the stats on such things, since I was having a therapy session when I found out about my friend dying. They cram stats down our throats pretty regularly.
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[personal profile] itches 2007-02-16 07:19 am (UTC)(link)
Do you remember the stats? I grew bored after about a minute of looking and wondered off.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-16 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
Supervised withdrawl of heroin has a mortality rate of less than 1%. Deaths during supervised alcohol withdrawl are somewhere around 7%. They say that cocaine is not physically addictive so withdrawl is not a medical factor in recovery.

I don't know how realistic that is, since I've known plenty of coke heads in inpatient rehab.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2007-02-16 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry to hear about your friend. What an awful way to go.

The hypocrisy surrounding alcohol in this country just disgusts me.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-16 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah...

[identity profile] vjsmom.livejournal.com 2007-02-16 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Damn, I'm so sorry to hear about your friend.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-16 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you.