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wednes ([personal profile] wednes) wrote2007-02-12 02:25 pm
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My Glorious Return to Ann Arbor

Hey kids, I'm back!
Miss me?

Did I miss anything?


I was out of town since Thursday to read about serial killers and plan my new novel. Mostly, I read about killers, thought a lot about my new novel, ate food that is bad for me and played with the kiddies. Babies are cute, but that cry they do is horrendous. Plus for all that cuteness there's tiny butts with mammoth size poops, screeching cries that go all through the night, weird smells and lots of spitting, plus you can't tell what they want half the time even if they're trying to talk to you. And the draw to want to figure them out is strong.

As I inch closer to 40, I realize that my window for kid having is drawing to a close. Being around other people's kids makes me think about it more than usual.
H doesn't want any kids, which almost certainly means that I won't have any. And these days, I don't think that's a big deal. Ten years ago, I would have thought my life was over if I didn't have a couple of kids, a house and a hubby and all that crap. The more I think about it, I think that's what the average person does. Like joining the army, it also seems to be what some people do when they aren't sure what else to do with their lives. There's a whole book about it, about how poor women keep having kids because it's the only thing they can do that's actually worth something (or so they seem to think).
EDIT: This is not to denigrate anyone's choice to procreate. Plenty of spectacular people are excellent parents, just like plenty of boring people choose to remain childless.

Oddly enough, I feel fulfilled in my life in many ways. I don't think a baby would make me happier, just more average or dare I say "normal". Thing is, I have no desire to be either of those things; and I'm certainly not going to have a baby just to fit in with contemporary society's idea of what women are supposed to do. And it's not like there's a shortage of kids running around. So for now, I think I'll be happy just playing with other people's babies and not give birth to anything but novels, TV and movie reviews, and maybe some new kind of cake. I like cake, and it is nice and quiet.

Besides, the bird flu will probably kill us all in the end...

[identity profile] kissdbyagnome.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah i'm not so thrilled with the idea of having kids. Mine are for more selfish reasons, like I don't know if I can handle all that responsibility towards caring for one person the rest of it's life. I mean I have problems with my little dog being to clingy! And you know what if I have a kid and that mother instinct doesn't kick in? Also, what about the state of the world (I always think of an episode of Archy Bunker when Mike didn't want to have kids because of the state of the world.) But any-who, I don't know if bringing another kid into the world is a wise thing. Glad you had a good vacation:) Mine got called off because of Ian getting the human flu.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
No way! I hear that human flu is a rough one. ;-]
Hopefully you can reschedule your vacation? I know that sucks when you have to get the time off and stuff...

But yeah, I don't really see the point of bringing yet another child into the world. Some people are really into parenting and good at it--I know plenty of people like that. But I also know of plenty of kids who get treated like crap because of "parents" diving in and procreating before stopping to think of how much work it's gonna be.

Besides, I can think of a zillion things I'd rather spend all that money on...

[identity profile] kissdbyagnome.livejournal.com 2007-02-14 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah the Man-Flu is the worst one out there, along with all the aches and pains, it comes with a lot of whining, moans, and baby like attitudes The Woman-Flu is often less annoying..

Yeah, I hear ya on the money thing!

[identity profile] sudrin.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I struggle with this idea sometimes, and then I remind myself if I were to have a kid I'd probably die in some tragic (but hopefully equally humorous) way and leave the poor kid to fend for his/herself. But as my friend Roy is fond of saying "Lets see what REALLY happens". Afterall, you never know!

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I too have an impending fear of tragic death. It was greatly heightened by my engagement, and again at the news of my impending publication. Whenever something good happens, I'm sure I will die right away.

Also, I would never try to "fix you up" with anyone, as I would find it unseemly. But do you know [livejournal.com profile] roane or [livejournal.com profile] liadra? I suspect that one or more of these ladies would be of interest to you. I happen to know that they are both single and um...looking.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2007-02-12 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods* I'm pretty much running out of time on the baby-making thing, too. Never wanted kids, except for one hormonal phase in my mid-20s. Fortunately, I got over that before anything ridiculous happened. All the same reasons for not wanting them, too. Mainly the screeching, though. And the idea of pushing something that big out of me. *shudder*

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I can handle any pain that only lasts a few hours. But with my own models for parenting being so poor, I don't know where I'd ever learn how to parent properly. I'm confident that I'd fuck it up really badly unless I had a man around who was helping a lot (which H would do, but he's not interested and would likely become resentful).

I really wish H would tell his mother we're not having kids. She's mentioned children a few times like she's assuming we're having some.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2007-02-12 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods* I wouldn't have made a very good parent either. The role models were somewhat lacking, and I'm just not maternal at all. Well, with kitties, yes. But babies have never appealed.

Ooh, H really should. That could get unpleasant, and just isn't fair to you or them to keep them guessing.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I wanted to tell her, but I don't think it's my place--especially since we aren't married yet. I'd hate for the discussion to come up at the wedding or some other inopportune event.


Plus, they could turn out to be the sort who think there's something wrong with you if you don't want kids. Like you are lacking or defective if you don't feel the pull toward maternity. I hate having to justify things like that, that are just too personal to have to convince other people of. Then again, they were pretty cool about finding out I was pagan.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2007-02-13 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
I know what you mean about the justification feeling. I've run into so many people, strangers and friends, that when it was discovered I didn't have kids and didn't want any, were appalled. "You still have time," they'd say in an attempt to be sympathetic, or they'd make fun of me. I wanted to punch them. Thank goddess that doesn't happen anymore.

Yeah, it makes sense for H to do the telling. And their reaction to you being pagan is very encouraging. I hope they'll be cool about it. : )

[identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I had some thoughts on kids I'm suddenly feeling less inclined to share in a this particular public-ish forum, now that I get ready to. So let me stop at saying how great it is to read you reporting feeling fairly fulfilled, and how odd it is for me, for some reason, to think you're getting close to 40. I think I expect you to stay in your 30s forever! Crazy.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL

Well, I'm only 36, but it seemed like the years between 26 and 30 went by in about 2 weeks. ;-]

And yeah, I'm quite happy with most of what's going on in my life. Of course, this leads to a perpetual "waiting for the other shoe to drop" feeling sometimes.

[identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I hear ya on that!

[identity profile] hortonhearsawho.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I keep feeling less and less like I want kids. As far as I'm concerned, my biological clock is still in pieces in factories all over China and the parts haven't even been ordered. It's definitely not definite, but still. It sort of freaks me out that there are people my age who are married and starting families and I'm still like, "Weeeeee! I'm going to go twirl in a field now and spend ALL OF MY MONEY ON MYSELF!!"

Huh.

I like cake, and it is nice and quiet.
Anyway, the real point of this is to laugh hysterically at this comment. It may be my new motto about the whole thing. Cake before kids like whoa.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
;-]

All in all, I think women who choose NOT to have children should become more vocal about our choice. Like many things, it will reduce the stigma, of which there is much.

And now...for some cake.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the kids you do have are very lovely. Their fur is shiny, and they're really cute.

As for human kids...I only know from age five and up, and by that point the screeching and shitting is done. I loved being able to be Joe's dad on an every day basis before the divorce. I mioss him each day, but I know that he's actually doing really well, despite living with Dana's mom. His grades are great. He seems very well adjusted. I love him like crazy.

As for babies, only time will tell how I handle that. Cathy says I'll do fine. I just have to figure out how to get them to use a litter box instead of a diaper.

[identity profile] lirrin.livejournal.com 2007-02-13 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I suppose that makes me average by your definition, then. I've done it a bit late and out of order (condo first, then a house, THEN got married), but I'm pretty happy with my husband, house, and child. I certainly didn't do any of the above because I have no other interests or "anything else to do" with my life. *heh* Though I'm not particularly poor, and popping out a kid should never win anyone an award in and of itself; I had a kid because I really like children, and I think I can do a decent job of raising one to adulthood. At least comparatively speaking...I hope. We'll see; she's only two, after all. :-)

You say "average" like it's a bad thing...which, okay, I get that sentiment. I'd rather be called "freak" than "boring" any day. *heh* But don't paint all of us who choose to have kids as boring because we've chosen that path. Jane Goodall has a son, I'd hardly call her average. (Okay, so she named him Grub. WTH?) I don't think of child-free people as somehow unfulfilled or boring or delusional or whatever, and I just ask the same in return. Honestly, more people should *be* child-free. ;-)

I do wish more people would really analyze the long term emotional and material aspects of having children, and then realize it's not something to undertake lightly or something you should do on a whim. The same people who won't buy a parrot because they live 50 years think nothing of having a kid or three. Gah.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-13 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
I certainly don't think all parents are average, just the ones who have them to go along with the herd.

What I was getting at was that lots of poor women who have no money and no house, shitty job etc having babies because it feels like an accomplishment. I was at that point say, 10 years ago and thought having a baby was the most important thing I would ever do (of course, I was undiagnosed at that time and had a lot of other issues going on). It was a stance that offered me much in the way of frustration and disappointment.

I still wonder if perhaps I'm missing out on something cool by remaining childless. But I know I don't want to procreate because I feel like people are judging me if I don't. I know people who treat the whole marriage/children thing like it's a race or a contest.

And I'm sure you know that I do not consider you average. Far from it.

Just sayin'

[identity profile] princezna.livejournal.com 2007-02-13 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
...but they would be reaaaal cuuute!

Re: Just sayin'

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2007-02-13 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
That's probably true. H comes from a long line of cuties.