It doesn't answer either of those questions. Those narratives all start after the hurricane, so it doesn't answer why they didn't leave. And I just want to point out that I said they should shoot people looting luxury goods. But I would certainly concede that they should wait till the refugees are all secure before they even try to control looting.
Once again, I disagree. And as I've told you in person, numerous people have asserted the point that people were foolish to stay and that the most important issue is to control the looting. This was FOX News's stance which seemed to me like a pretty obvious deflection of the issue that the only shelter these people had was cut off from food, water and electricty.
As you must know by now, there was no way for lots and lots of poor people to leave, not to mention that there was, and continues to be, no place for them to go. If Ann Arbor suddenly had to evacuate, H and I would have no place to go and no way to get there. We were intially told that there were buses running and continue to be busses moving people along, but it turns out said buses were few and outrageously expensive ($45 cash per person).
I think you are overestimating people's options and underestimating the people. Calling people who've just lost everything they own "lazy" and "selfish" for trying to stay and salvage something illustrates that you have little empathy or understanding of what they are going through.
So your plan is for me, you, Cathy, Joe, H, your cats, and everything we need to survive in your car and drive out to shelter with gas being over $3 a gallon.
Indeed, that sounds like a reasonable thing for anyone including children and the elderly to do. Vastly preferrable to staying home and sending someone out for rations every other day.
Ok look. I'm not going to argue about this all day. But I'm just pointing out that that narrative does not explain why people stayed. Which is what you posted.
I agree that people should have been offered busing out of the city on Sunday. In fact, there should have been buses going up and down every street taking people out of the city on Saturday and Sunday before the hurricane. If that didn't happen, then it's the mayor and governors fault.
I didn't call anyone 'lazy'. I really wish you wouldn't make stuff up. I said that they were selfish. They are selfish because they know they can't feed themselves and they expect the government to expend extra resources on them as opposed to the people who are accepting the evacuation.
If your house was flooded, and a police officer came by and said... "Come with me. I'll take you to a shelter where you can get a shower, a hot meal, and a cot to sleep on. The power and water will not be on for months." would you stay?
All I'm saying is that now that the relief efforts are properly organized, people should cooperate with them.
By the way, we have 2 cars. After our families are safe, I'll come and get you.
My apologies, you did not say "lazy" you said "stubborn and selfish". I suppose it is true that people who have just lost their homes are probably not thinking of government spending. Nor should they.
If your house was flooded, and a police officer came by and said... "Come with me. I'll take you to a shelter where you can get a shower, a hot meal, and a cot to sleep on. The power and water will not be on for months." would you stay?
I'd go to the shelter and have a shower, get some supplies and go back home. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't prefer living in a shelter to my home, in whatever state. Of course i say this having already lived in several shelters and vowing "never again".
I got it from locakitty and was moved to tears by it. Of course, all the news coverage has made me very emotional. It also inspired me to clean all the ill fitting but still decidedly plus-size clothes out of my closet.
Definitely. NPR was interviewing a woman who's staying in the French Quarter with her friends. The reporter was badgering her about not leaving, and she just kept telling him "I have nowhere to go. It's dry here. I'm here with my friends. We have food (and beer--her friends own a bar). We're staying." The reporter even criticized her for wasting police energy protecting her, to which she replied, "The police aren't doing anything. We're on our own here."
I think what baffles me most is the lack of empathy that is displayed toward these people. It's bad enough when americans don't care about displaced people of other countries, but these are OUR PEOPLE. And I'm hearing things like "fuck 'em, if they dont' want to abandon their homes and live in a gym until Christmas; they dont' leave, they dont' eat." It's sick.
And the whole "Shoot the looters" thing (as long as they're not white). I'm just amazed at how a lot of people in this country just keep piling on the garbage. Gah!
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As you must know by now, there was no way for lots and lots of poor people to leave, not to mention that there was, and continues to be, no place for them to go. If Ann Arbor suddenly had to evacuate, H and I would have no place to go and no way to get there. We were intially told that there were buses running and continue to be busses moving people along, but it turns out said buses were few and outrageously expensive ($45 cash per person).
I think you are overestimating people's options and underestimating the people. Calling people who've just lost everything they own "lazy" and "selfish" for trying to stay and salvage something illustrates that you have little empathy or understanding of what they are going through.
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So your plan is for me, you, Cathy, Joe, H, your cats, and everything we need to survive in your car and drive out to shelter with gas being over $3 a gallon.
Indeed, that sounds like a reasonable thing for anyone including children and the elderly to do. Vastly preferrable to staying home and sending someone out for rations every other day.
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I agree that people should have been offered busing out of the city on Sunday. In fact, there should have been buses going up and down every street taking people out of the city on Saturday and Sunday before the hurricane. If that didn't happen, then it's the mayor and governors fault.
I didn't call anyone 'lazy'. I really wish you wouldn't make stuff up. I said that they were selfish. They are selfish because they know they can't feed themselves and they expect the government to expend extra resources on them as opposed to the people who are accepting the evacuation.
If your house was flooded, and a police officer came by and said... "Come with me. I'll take you to a shelter where you can get a shower, a hot meal, and a cot to sleep on. The power and water will not be on for months." would you stay?
All I'm saying is that now that the relief efforts are properly organized, people should cooperate with them.
By the way, we have 2 cars. After our families are safe, I'll come and get you.
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If your house was flooded, and a police officer came by and said... "Come with me. I'll take you to a shelter where you can get a shower, a hot meal, and a cot to sleep on. The power and water will not be on for months." would you stay?
I'd go to the shelter and have a shower, get some supplies and go back home. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't prefer living in a shelter to my home, in whatever state. Of course i say this having already lived in several shelters and vowing "never again".
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Not exactly preferrable to staying at home.
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I just can't wrap my head around all this.
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