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wednes ([personal profile] wednes) wrote2005-06-29 04:07 am
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So Very Tired...

Today was a long, terribly tiring day.

First of all, I got no sleep whatsoever. I was up all night and when I tried to finally take a nap before my interview, H's alarm went off. Anyway, I did get up and make it to my interview. It went well, I'm a pretty good interview ususally. But I suspect they may be looking for people with a stronger music background. The pay is decent though, more than I made at Mstone anyway...of course it would be difficult to make less.

I was taken to a Chinese buffet for lunch, but it was so hot and gross outside I didn't eat much. In fact, I took only one plate of food and didn't finish it. I did have some tasty coconut cake for dessert though.

Then I went to computer class. Boring. But I did learn some stuff. After that i had been awake for 25 hours straight and deperately wanted a nap. But no. H and I went to get groceries and I couldn't get my prescription filled because it ran out. So I have to deal with that tomorrow, plus find out what in suck is going on with FIA as I applied there in February and it's almost July. Those guys suck. It's bad enough having to ask them for help without them being dicks about it.

I had a conversation today which reminded me of something. I don't think I like the "Fat Acceptance" movement as it is exemplified by people I encounter. For those of you who don't know (very few I assume, as I mention it fairly often) this is not just an anti-fat-discrimination group. They actually criticize women for saying things like "I need to lose a few pounds" or "So-and-so looks like crap in low rise jeans because a they have a roll of belly fat". They also appear to condemn any business, service, or product that exists to aid wieght loss.

I do beleive that fat people are one of the last groups in this country that can be harassed and discriminated against even by those who consider themselves PC. Then again, I am biased. But I don't think any chick trying to lose wieght thru diet and/or excersize is anti-feminist, or a mindless sheep brainwashed by The Man. Frankly, the assertion that I can't diet if I want to is demeaning and discriminatory.

For me, the bottom line is No one should be persecuted because of choices they make regarding thier own body!!

Yeah, it's tough to hear from a size 12 friend how "ugly" she looks because she hasn't lost 5 pounds. Many (if not most) women have indeed been made to feel crappy about themselves regarding thier weight; and it sucks. Negative body image is a difficult thing to shake whether it be from too much or too little body fat, small boobs, acne, a lazy-eye or a limp. Everybody has things they don't like about themselves. This is not the fault of Weight Watchers, Cover Girl, Lany Bryant, or Slimfast.

When people stand up and think for themselves, faceless businesses can't take advantage of thier insecurities. Just as McDonalds is not really responsible for the creation of fat people, Slimfast is not responsible for women wanting to get skinny.

Not to mention, it is possible to love yourself very, very much and still want to lose wieght.

Later: Why I hate those shirts that look like lingerie that people are wearing as regular tops.

(Anonymous) 2005-06-29 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Later: Why I hate those shirts that look like lingerie that people are wearing as regular tops.

What about the chick who was walking around the mall in a bikini + sarong?

Iiiiinappropriate.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess it depends on ones upbringing and culture. Americans have hang ups about bodies and all that there.

I don't wear certain clothing styles because i don't think I look good in them, or they are not comfy. Comfort is very important to me. But if other people want to, I suppose it's none of my business.

[identity profile] rivetkitten.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok, that wasn't supposed to be anonymous, but someone signed me out of LJ. Damn them.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh...I was wondering.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-06-29 02:22 pm (UTC)(link)
No one should be persecuted because of choices they make regarding thier own body!!

Word.

[identity profile] uterdic.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
So... wait... it's not the P.H.A.T. movement? Oh man, I'm so behind the times.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. Skinny, attractive women (much like the Christians) are taking a stand against the imaginary persecution they've been feeling for far too long...

[identity profile] orangepaisley.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Growing up, I was made fun of for being very thin. My sister was teased for being plump. All things considered, I would have prefered to be overweight than underweight. At least I would have had boobies!

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Grass is always greener, no? I had sizable boobies by 5th grade. Not fun. And the back pain now is kind of a drag.

[identity profile] orangepaisley.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been thin, fat, and everywhere in between over the years. I'm currently a size 12. I don't think of my body as who I am. It's just the fleshy carrying case for my fabulous brain.

That said, I am not a very tall person, and being a size 12 is not the healthiest weight for me. And by healthy, I mean healthy by my own standards, not some crapola I read in a magazine or by what my doctor says. I judge my health by my energy level. If I feel tired without reason, something is wrong. If I experience wild mood swings with no obvious cause, something is wrong.

But that's just me. YMMV.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think of my body as who I am. It's just the fleshy carrying case for my fabulous brain.


Well, that's the meat of it, isn't it?

It's just outward stuff. It's all about feeling well.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
You do have the most amazing brain!!!!
Spicy brains!!

[identity profile] sudrin.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
While I would like to leap to the defense of the whole FA thing, in truth I can't. The "Problem" with the FA movement isn't the acceptance part, its that it decends into fetishism. It makes being overweight a fetish the same way Score Magazine makes having big boobs a fetish, or Legs magazine makes shapely legs a fetish. I'm sure everyone has their private share of fetishes, by singling out an attribute and idealizing it is where we get into trouble. I'm sure along the way I've probably fallen into the trap. I do know that I dislike the idea of women that I personally find very attractive feeling that they are the wrong shape, weight, or hair color. Granted, everyone should be able to be the person that they want, I just worry about where they are getting the "model" from. As a society we are all very different, and I think its sad that we all want to look like 5% of the world instead of the other 95%. So while the FA movement might try and "Tip the scales" by wanting to make everyone fat, I would hope that at least some of the people involved hope to allow women (or men for that matter) to be beautiful how they are instead of make them try and look like The new "improved" Lindsey Lohan

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Lohan looks really cute in the Herbie movie, but she looks like an anorexic, bleache blone, ho-bag in the accompanying video.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I know what you mean. I was thinking that I should find a group of like-minded women to align myself with. If only such a group existed--oh wait, it's called feminism!

[identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
At least a few of the things you write about in referencing fat activist movement are most definitely not a part of that movement as I know it. Right now I feel a little short on psychic energy to get into it, having just had another drama to deal with, but I also feel obliged to respond.

Like every other fat activist I personally know, I would not question your right to do whatever you want to with your body. I do, however, as you know, feel critical toward people (women or not, fat or not) commenting things like "So-and-so looks like crap in low rise jeans because a they have a roll of belly fat." You may disagree, but to me that's both buying into AND perpetuating the societal attitude you decry elsewhere ("fat people are one of the last groups in this country that can be harassed and discriminated against even by those who consider themselves PC"). Me, I want people to stop saying that. If they stop saying it, and it does come to feel less acceptable for people to say shit like that, maybe people will think it a little less, too, and maybe then we won't be so harrassed and discriminated against.

I did at one point have some resistance to what I thought fat activism might be about that was similar to [livejournal.com profile] sudrin's distaste at its perceived "fetishism." I have since come to realize that, though there is the chubby-chaser proclivity & a potentially uncomfortable association therewith, political fat activism isn't the same thing as a fetishism of fat, even if practicing fat activism does often lead to a greater likelihood of actually finding fat bodies attractive.

Moreover, I have learned from comparing notes with other fatties (and reading about the subject), that dieting, as it is generally practiced, will almost always just make you fatter, and that the fatter the woman the more dieting she's probably done. Knowing that, and knowing how a huge industry profits from our dieting and practicing other such unwise "weight loss" plans, it is true that we come off as disapproving of people dieting, or even of people setting out to lose weight as an end in itself---but that's mainly because we know it's almost certainly not going to "work," and it will likely cause more problems, not only physical but psychological as well.

Another popular misconception is that we want people to be fat, or fatter, or that we ourselves necessarily want to be fat. That just isn't true, and to assert that it is seems so bizarre to me as to be hard to see as anything but deliberate misunderstanding. Fat activism is about changing the focus from the fat. It's about disrupting the cultural demonization of fat which you yourself decry. And it's not incompatible in the least with having a happy and "healthy" relationship to one's body, nor with trying to improve the condition one's physiognomy is in. In fact, not only do many fat activists I know pursue fitness, but many actively engage in concentrating on eating in a balanced, selective way that contributes to good nutrition and can be pleasurable, too. Part of our overall health, though, is in accepting that we are okay as we are, and that we may not ever be---in fact statistically probably never will be---of a size & shape culturally considered not fat.

You have to admit: you don't see posts over at [livejournal.com profile] bigfatblog that suggest you shouldn't be allowed to do what you want with your body, do you? You may see plenty of posts that suggest that Slimfast ain't gonna help you any, but that's not the same thing.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-06-29 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I want to preface this by saying that I am mindful of the fact that you have very strong feelings on this issue. I was hoping to generate a discussion and I'm appreciative that you took time to respond thoughtfully.

I do agree that diet fads are pointless, ineffective, and far more dangerous that simply being overwieght. At the same time, programs like Weight Watchers can be helpful in attaining better eating habits overall for those of us who do overeat. I realize that not all women considered fat do not overeat. But many do. It seems that the reason WW is scorned by the FA movement is simply that it is a business. I won't defend thier assertion that fat is bad, but they did not create this attitude. And I have found them to be, overall, a positive and supportive bunch. There are exceptions, those who equate starvation with strength make me sad. But the WW program is a solid one, and realistic to follow (when I'm not smoking tons of reefer, anyway).

I do have a problem with what I percieve to be passing judgment on women who aspire to wieght loss, or those who assert opinions on what looks bad fashion-wise. Certainly, it would be ideal if we could all refrain from judging eachother as women and as humans. But the image of me proclaiming that from my soap box seems silly and ineffective. ;-) I guess I just think that if we don't want to be judged, we should not judge. Of course we may want to counsel a friend who dislikes herself because of her wieght. But if losing wieght will make her feel better, then why not? This assumes, of course, that they are employing reasonable eating habits. As I have said in the past, eating well is a wonderful way of expressing love for the self. While my own lifestyle employs moderation in this, there is soemthing to be said for not putting junk food in your body, which many people do. Often, reducing junk food from the diet results in weight loss; sometimes not. But it's still a healthful way to live. I guess I'm getting tangenty here. I can honestly say though, I don't think you or anyone at BFB has led me to feel judged about my own choices. But I have read things that have made me empathize with others whom I percieved were being judged and condescended to when they posted or spoke about thier wieght loss.

I absolutely agree that the best course of action is to have a healthy relationship with one's body. That is something I struggle with daily.