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wednes ([personal profile] wednes) wrote2005-04-03 03:20 pm

Pontiff is difficult to rhyme. OR Smoke on the Vatican

Since one of my many youthful indisecretions involved "going Catholic" for a time, I feel more than qualified to weigh in on this dizzeal with the Pope dying and all.

As one may have guessed, I am slightly annoyed at the pervasive well, TMI aspect of the coverage of his failing health and subsequent passing. Similar to one's beloved grandparent, we can feel empathy for the fact that someone is ill without have to hear each gory detail every time we get near the news. Not to mention that many people do not consider the Pope any more holy or important than any other religious figure. And some people are against that sort of borderline idolitry all together.

That said, John Paul seemed like a good man. Aside from the "George Ringo" joke, which is still funny as it happens, JP was also the first notable Catholic to expressly tell parents not to disown thier homosexual children. Since there are plenty of people who do anything the Pope says, I would imagine at least some people were helped by that. It's just too bad it didn't have more of an effect.

As you Catholics know, God speaks directly to the Pope. This was true of all Popes except Pope Joan, who God knew was a woman. I wonder if this gives God more time to start talking to other people. Nothing makes a person sound crazier than when they hear God talking to them. Trust me.

So now they'll have to choose a new Pope.
I feel so out of the loop, I don't even know who's running.
And I kind of wish I had a job, just so I could start an office pool.
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On a completely unrelated topic, I lost another hard drive this morning.
Fucker outbid me by 62 cents.
I think I'm just going to have H pay $10 more so I can do the "buy it now" option.
$60 for 20gig isn't too much is it?

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2005-04-03 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Paul McCartney & Yoko Ono tried for a while to sue The Pope for copyright infringement.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-03 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you sure it wasn't Julian Lennon?

That guy sues everyone.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2005-04-03 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah, Julian was busy suing everyone else when Paul & "Ocean Child" decided to sue the Pope-a-rama!
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[personal profile] itches 2005-04-03 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
You make a shitty catholic. The pope has a direct line to St Peter, who has a direct line to the God.
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[personal profile] itches 2005-04-03 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I take it back, you make an average sort of catholic. I keep forgetting that people weren't as into it as I was.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-03 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I was quite enthusiastic about it, but stopped before high school.
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[personal profile] itches 2005-04-03 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
That's hardly an excuse.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-03 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Well...if pagans had a rosary, I'd say a few.
But we don't.
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[personal profile] itches 2005-04-03 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Bah, be a good pagan and steal something from one of the gods floating around. The Judo-Christian one is good enough.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not really one for the patriarchy, or the shame.
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[personal profile] itches 2005-04-04 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
The best part about stealing things from other faiths is that you get to alter them to suit your needs.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
All religions borrow from eachother, taking what works and furthers their purpose, and leaving the rest behind.

Not sure why you're being so testy about all this. Religion and spirituality are intensly personal, and there really is no right or wrong.
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[personal profile] itches 2005-04-04 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not being testing, I'm not exactally being totally serious which makes it hard to get testy ;)

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
I wasn't sure. There seemed to be a lack of winking emoticons, thereby making me doubt your joviality.
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[personal profile] itches 2005-04-04 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, that one was my bad. I should look into making another sign. I have one for sarcasm but a humour one could come in useful too.

[identity profile] everythingtold.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
At my first communion, I accidentally broke my pink plastic rosery. I put it in my mouth (not knowing what to do with it) and accidently swallowed some of it. My communion partner drank the whole chalise of 'blood' and walked straight into a pillar. That's all I remember.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
wow...

I'm sorry I missed it!

;-)

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-03 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
There are many compelling reasons why I don't make a good Catholic.
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[personal profile] itches 2005-04-03 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
That's usually the way it works. Even back when I was a devout catholic (think 10 yrs old) I had done a fair bit of independent thinking about things, and come to my own conclusions. It wasn't until much later that I worked out that the church didn't match up to me, which rather killed my career choice of the time.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2005-04-03 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I was quite young when I lost faith in the Catholis Church. I had gone to public school from kindergarten through 4th grade (all the while attending CCD on Wednesday evenings).
In 5th grade, my folks put me in a Catholic school. Having been in public school I was accustomed to teachers answering questions. E.G. "Why did the dinosaurs become extinct?"
At St. Mike's, I'd ask questions like "Why, How?" And the nuns would always tell me, "Just because the Bible says so." Fuck that!!! I want to know why. The public school teachers never just said, "Because the book says so.
Fucking rotten nuns.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Whoa there...

Taking something on faith alone does not make the nuns "rotten". In a way, I envy people with the ability to have blind faith. Not all of them, mind you, but the ones that aren't dim.
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[personal profile] itches 2005-04-04 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
You don't teach blind faith, so those sorts of answers in a school really shouldn't be there. There is a difference between religious belifs and scientific theory, and presenting one doesn't invalidate the other.

It just lets the students know that the other one exists.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
The nuns were rotten for a multitude of reasons.
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[personal profile] itches 2005-04-04 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
See your problem was that you went to a shitty school. I went to good schools where they cut a lot of that shit out.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
I concur. Even though I disliked the dogma, I learned a lot in Catholic School.

There were soem terrible, terrible kids there.
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[personal profile] itches 2005-04-04 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
See, once more my experience differs. I went to a rather good school that made a point of accepting only good people into it. It was a nice enviroment, nice teachers, and dispite the fact that we wore a uniform, not in the least repressing.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Mine let in one nice kid...me, and a bunch of rotten kids who called me "itchy-balls" and beat the shit out of me. They were all dicks. The nuns didn't believe me when I'd tell 'em stuff like "Mark Copeland dumped my lunch in my lap." They'd say, "Daniel, you can admit it if you've spilled food on yourself. Mark is an altar boy and wouldn't do such a thing."

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
I really had a difficult time dealing with the hypocrisy of Catholic School.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm confused.

You told me an anecdote once about you being a kid and doing things because "pastor said so". I do not remember any "Pastors" in Catholic church or school.

What gives?

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
For a while when I was in Ohio I became a Pentecost. It was crazy. Now I'm just me. No affiliation whatsoever.

[identity profile] parilous.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
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[identity profile] parilous.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
oh yeah, oooops. Typo.

[identity profile] parilous.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
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[identity profile] skryche.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 01:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah... I was going to say: $60 for 20GB is definitely too much.

[identity profile] anarchys-savior.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
Jean d'Arc was not a Pope. She was canonized(made a Saint) after her death, but she was never a Pope.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, I was being facetious in regard to this legend:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/popeJoan.html

I did a play in college wherein a woman has a dream she is having dinner with famous fictitious women. One of them was Pope Joan, another (me) was Dulle Grete from the famous Bruegel painting. Good stuff.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-04-04 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
JP was also the first notable Catholic to expressly tell parents not to disown thier homosexual children

But he still proclaimed homosexuality to be evil. Here's a good article on his "legacy": http://www.gay.com/news/roundups/package.html?sernum=1123&coll=news_feature&navpath=channels/news
And that article doesn't even go into his unquestioning support of the Church's institutionalized misogyny. I was never a big fan myself, but I was never Catholic.

Fucking Sirius Icon

[identity profile] amitendo.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
Hey sorry, I saw your Fucking Sirius icon and wanted to know if you found or made it. ^^;; Was hoping to save and use it myself if possible

Re: Fucking Sirius Icon

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I totally ganked it from a community w/out permission.

So I can't really tell you not to use it, now can I?

Since the pics were from google and the joke is from a fansite, it's not really anyones intellectual property.

Re: Fucking Sirius Icon

[identity profile] amitendo.livejournal.com 2005-04-07 07:53 am (UTC)(link)
hm well if that's the case then maybe nobody will mind if i use it every once in a while. thanks for the info.

[identity profile] everythingtold.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry if you're offended by this but I was talkng to P on the phone about the Pope's death. (I don't think he's a total asshole but some fellow Unitarians/LGBT/Liberals think I'm a traitor for stickig up for him). P said, "You know, some Nigerian dude's up in the runnign for the Pope. Wouldn't that be weird if he became Pope?"

I said, "I don't know anything about him."

He said, "Well, it'd just be weird to have a black Pope. That'd make all the black people really happy."

I said, "Oh yeah." (paused a long time). "For some reason, I didn't automaticaly make the connection between 'black' and 'Nigerian'." Now, I honestly do't give a shit what race the new Pope belongs to, if Nigerian dude becomes Pope I hope he's less conservative (altough I am glad he's no longer suffering, just because I disagree with the chuch I grew up in doesn't mean I thought he was a total asshole). It was just a funny conversation, weird that he brought that up (well, not weird for P).

I hope I'm not 'mock the stupid' material. I simply didn't make the connection.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Doesn't sound mockworthy to me. Not everyone in a given country is going to be of the same race.

[identity profile] madush69.livejournal.com 2005-04-04 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Except in Canada, where they're all of the "Hockey-Fan" race.




Note: I can make Canada jokes because part of my heritage is Canadian.


(And the one sport I like watcing on TV, is Hockey.)