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wednes ([personal profile] wednes) wrote2005-01-07 02:00 pm
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That 'doctor" place sucks. It's actually a rehab. I find that suprememly insulting mainly because I don't agree that I have a substance abuse problem. Indeed, I like to smoke some pot every day when I have it. Pot has not caused me any legal, family or personal troubles except maybe that it's taking me longer than I thought to write something publishable. But I don't think that is related to weed...seriously. Pot has certainly not caused me even 1/10 of the problems that being on an ever changing series of psyche meds has caused me. And I can't get over my deep resentment toward doctors who insist that i stop smoking weed, only to prescribe physically addicitve pills with myriad side effects. Plus they say that I have to go to N/A meetings in order to get meds. In case you don't know, few things in life are less productive than being forced into a meeting for addicts. It's kind of equivalent to forcing someone to go to church thinking it will make them "beleive in god". Plus I had to explain to them what a pagan is because they didn't know. They had also never heard of "whippets". Can you imagine a drug counselor who had never heard of whippets? Anyway, I hate that every time I try to tell someone that I am bi-polar and need help and meds that they first have to tell me what a terrible, awful drug user I am, while they pound coffee and step outside for smoke breaks every other hour. I have a mental illness dammit, help me! So I'll get to make an appointment to see someone in a few weeks. I was so in the mood for more waiting too, because emotional problems don't really need immediate attention, after all...

I did not get the job at the orthodonist. The lady who interviewed me seemed to like me a lot and think I'd be good at it, so she's keeping my resume on file in case they need someone for a job which doesn't require driving. Fear not, for I shall not be holding my breath. Besides, they could have put that in the ad in the first place, would have saved me a lot of time.

Lastly, the mushroom grilled onion and swiss QP from McDonalds is pretty good. I daresay it was better than the bacon cheddar ranch Angus from BK.

[identity profile] flinx.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
For fear of asking an indelicate question, what was your particular reason for choosing the aforementioned Crappy Joint? I think that there's a new UM center for dealing with mental health issues, and I might be able to get you a list of other facilities that might not be so... pernicious and condescending. Can't promise anything, but there's a possibility.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
As I am not working I have no money and no insurance, and a need to not be on a six-month waiting list. By all means, if you have any useful information, I'd love to have it.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-01-07 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't get me started on the "experts'" ideas about pot. I'm so with you on that. Grrr.

And, um, what are whippets, besides cute little greyhound-like dogs?

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
"Whippets" is the street slang for EZ Whips. They are those little cannisters of nitrus or whatever they use for whipped cream. You crack them with a metal device and fill a balloon with the freezing cold air, then breathe it. It's a "safe" version of huffing because it doesn't involve chimicals like sniffing glade, glue or nail polish remover.

And that is your drug lesson for the day!
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-01-07 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Why, thank you, Drug Lady. I also love how the "experts" call pot a gateway drug. I've been smoking it for 20-some years, and I've don't know jack about other drugs.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Besides, tobacco is really the "gateway" drug.

I know of very few people who didn't try tobacco first before anything else, even drinking. And almost everyone I know who smokes weed either smokes cigarettes now or used to and quit.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-01-07 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
You're probably right! Funny, though. Most of the folks I know who smoke weed have never smoked tobacco, or did so sparingly. My fella smokes cigars now and then. I tried drinking before anything else. No, wait. First thing would have been Percodan. Never smoked tobacco except for when I was drinking heavily. Now there's a healthy combination.

[identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Percodan? as a youth?
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-01-07 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep. Got my wisdom teeth out my senior year in high school, and was introduced to the joys of prescription painkillers. (not that it was a big habit--I just saved a few from my prescription for when I could appreciate the effects better)

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Ha. I know several people who only smoke when they are drinking or getting high. Great tastes, I suppose ;-)
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-01-08 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, when you're drunk (the folks I was hanging with at the time, anyway), you think you look cool smoking a cigarette.

Combining smokes? I did that literally once. Not wanting to risk being searched at a concert (Paul Simon, I think), R delicately removed half the tobacco from a pack of cigarettes and replaced it with pot. Worked quite well. Fun buzz, too.

[identity profile] grammargirl.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, amusingly enough I used to smoke weed on a semi-regular basis (now it's an only once-in-a-great-while thing, mostly because all my pot-smoking friends have moved away and I refuse to buy) but have never, to this day, taken more than a drag off a cigarette.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Wow...that's quite cool actually. And interesting.

*puts that nugget of info into file in head*

[identity profile] nate101000.livejournal.com 2005-01-10 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Here is some more info that you might not know.

Nitrous Oxide is used as an anesthesia, and is used in the making of whipped cream. The reason it works in whipped cream is because it is fat soluble and it literally dissolves into the fat of the cream while under pressure and in a liquid state. When the cream is released the nitrous oxide boils out of the cream and fluffs it up. That's why it settles down after a couple of minutes. Apparently the fat solubility is also the reason it makes a great anesthesia, but I cant' remember why.

When an EX-Whip cannister is cracked and then released into the ballon the canister becomes very cold. The reason for this is because the pressure is equal to the temperature multiplied by the volume (P = T*V). If we move the components of this equation around we get that the temperature is equal to the pressure divided by the volume(T = P/V). If the pressure goes down while the volume in the cannister remains the same then the value of (P/V) becomes less for example if P=2 and V=2 then T=1, but if we lower P to 1 then T=1/2. Therefore if we decreas the pressue we decrease the temperature.

The health risks to Nitrous Oxide are very dangerous. Many Dentists no longer use Nitrous oxide because of the serous side effects of frequent exposure to the people administering it. A numbness can form in the extremities that is permanant and often debilitating. Imagine not being able to feel your fingers. There is no way to avoid this health risk.

The health risks of EZ-Whip are a little worse. There are many particles of metal that get into your lungs through the manufacturing and cracking of the canister. Your stomach could handle the imperceptible particles because you would have to eat a ridiculous amount of whipped cream to get enough metal fileings to be harmful. But when a person uses and EZ-Whip they often will use several canisters in one night. Each cannister contains the same amount of Nitrous Oxide as in one can of Ready Whip. The way to avoid this health risk is to use medical grade gas from a tank.

Many people will breath the gas by inhaling the balloon, and then exhaling into the balloon. And then continuing to only breath the gas that is in the balloon. This deprives your brain of oxygen for a longer period of time than is necessary because there is no usable oxygen in the balloon. The way to lessen this harmful effect is to inhale the balloon exhale into the open air, and inhale from the balloon until it is empty. Then begin breathing the open air as soon as you feel the need. I do recommend trying to inhale the entire balloon in one breath, and then breathing open air again as soon as possible. The Nitrous Oxide only needs to be in your lungs for a couple of seconds for you to absorb it into your blood.

The high only lasts about one minute, maybe two if you have a high sensitivity. I wouldn't recomend Whippets, they are an expensive high when you price it by the minute. It costs approximately $14 for 24 Cannisters. Which is about $0.50 per minute. Pot is more cost effective and safer.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-01-10 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the info. What a lot of work and trouble just to get high.

[identity profile] nate101000.livejournal.com 2005-01-11 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
It's actually not a lot of work, and most people are ignorant of the health risks. Even when you explain the risks to them tehy just shrug it off. It's just a dumb thing to do with any frequency.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-01-11 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
It's actually not a lot of work

Compared to lighting up? (although cleaning one's stash can be time-consuming) Especially for the length of the high. I guess folks enjoy it enough to do it. Doesn't appeal to me, though.

It's just a dumb thing to do with any frequency.

I agree.

[identity profile] sudrin.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I certainly agree with you about the whole Pot thing. Its funny how some substances are OK to abuse in our culture but others are taboo. Like you said, Coffee, Cola, and Cigarettes.. OK, Pot.. BAD.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not even so much that is that they want me to clean out so they can give me harsh pills that are physically addictive. The last drug they gave me was taken off the market for causing liver damage. And while I was taking it, every time I told them it was not working well, they upped the dosage. That is presicely how they describe addiction in terms of "street drugs" meanning that you have a problem when you have to keep taking more to acheive the desired effect.

Plus, last time I went off my meds, the withdrawl was terrible. Night sweats, shakes, headaches, nausea...and it took 3 weeks to get over. Who the hell has 3 weeks to make that kind of adjustment?

[identity profile] anarchys-savior.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't really now how I feel about pot. I've never smoked it and don't plan on ever doing so, but I really don't know if it's bad or not. The government says it is, but the government says a lot of things that aren't necessarily true(ie, abstinence is the best form of sex-ed, etc). But hey, it's your body, and it's your choice. I don't understand why you can smoke tobacco which is harmful, but you can't smoke pot which is also(maybe?) harmful. Why can you hurt yourself doing certain things and not others?

I'm having a hard time finding a job too. It must just be the season...

[identity profile] uterdic.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Pot is as bad for you as smoking cigarettes because of the damage it does to your lungs. However, those who smoke pot regularly still aren't smoking as much as most smokers in a day. Therefore, not as bad as smoking. Plus nicotiene (and caffine) is a class 5 narcotic. Same category as heroine. Meaning that they have the same addictive qualities as heroine. Pot doesn't. Pot is mentally addictive but not physically.

Pot is illegal for two basic reasons: 1) William Randolph Hearst. As a newspaper mogul, he was also a huge investor in paper mills. Hemp paper was a lot cheaper to make then from trees, so he helped to lobby to make it illegal to protect his investments. 2) no field sobriety test. When driving drunk, there are a couple of things that really can't be faked. Cops can tell that you are drunk when you fail these parts of the drunk driving test. There's not an equal one for pot use. So you can't tell if someone is driving under the infulence of pot (except that you are driving 7 mph). As soon as the cops can determine that you are unfit to drive, I believe it will be made legal.

[identity profile] anarchys-savior.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-01-08 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
Pot is as bad for you as smoking cigarettes because of the damage it does to your lungs.

Not necessarily. Pot doesn't have all the chemical additives that cigarettes do, leaving only the natural ickiness (tar, etc.). If you smoke using a bong, 80 to 90% of that is left in the water. A lot safer than smoking cigarettes, in my opinion.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, plus pot contains a natural expectorant to help the lungs get rid of the yuck that settles in there from smoking.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-01-08 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't know that. Cool!

[identity profile] uterdic.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the same expectorant that cigarettes have. Coughing doen't really get rid of it. It's your body trying to get rid of it.

[identity profile] uterdic.livejournal.com 2005-01-09 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
That could very well be the case. I hadn't ever heard that before. I'm not trying to argue or anything, but this is a geocities site. It's personally managed. It could likely be opinion, or early stages of research, or total BS. I do see that there are several resources mentioned in other stories on the site, but there aren't any on this article. I have a very hard time believing that inhaling smoke into ones lungs has a beneficial effect, as much as I'd love for that to be the case.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-09 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
Well, this is just the first article I found while googling; it is not my actual source for the information. I learned it in college, and I beleive this info is also availible in that book The Emperor Wears No Clothes which every pothead in american seemed to have a copy of back then. It may also be avilible on Erowid.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-01-09 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
Here is a link that talks about all of cannabis' potential medicinal use, and it includes sources.

[identity profile] uterdic.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course, if you are one to smoke out of a bong. I was not being that specific.
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[personal profile] groovesinorbit 2005-01-08 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah. Even if you don't use a bong, the chemicals in cigarettes aren't there. I still don't think pot is as dangerous to your health as cigarettes are.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, we live in Ann Arbor. Pot is already legal, I just don't happen to have a prescription. Sadly, I can only get prescriptions for addictive pain killers and meds that keep me awake for days at a time.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah...I think I'd take the "governments" views on weed more seriously if our president wasn't an admitted cocaine user.

[identity profile] pleasing-tint.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
We're not eating at fast food restaurants anymore. Ever. Get with it. They are the enemy. You seem like a competent cook...you must boycott now.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, I don't eat that crap nearly as much as I used to. But I am a huge advocate of comfort food (pun intended, I guess) which is what fast food is to me. So in the ypical style of an addict, I got McDonalds so I would feel temporarily better.

I know, it's sad...

[identity profile] pleasing-tint.livejournal.com 2005-01-08 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I suggest you get your priorities straight, young lady. Those criminals don't deserve your money and just how can that be comfortable? Sorry, do I seem like a complete nag to you? I'm a downer, aren't I?

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-09 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
Meh, no moreso than the rest of my horrific excuse for a life.

[identity profile] spasmsproject.livejournal.com 2005-01-09 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
I just friended you. Hope that's cool.

Amy

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2005-01-09 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
Sure.