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wednes ([personal profile] wednes) wrote2004-10-09 07:30 pm
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Heh heee, Well if I *do* own a lumber company, it's news to me!

President Bush is a lying fuckwad. I know this is not news to many of you, but it's true. He totally implied (although truth be told, he didn't say it outright) that he didn't own a lumber company when his own fucking income tax reports say he did. He called Kerry a "flip flopper" even after Kerry expressly explained his stance on the issues in question. And he had the affrontery to assert that The Patriot Act does not impede anyone's constitutional rights.

Normally I'd think it's funny that anyone who lies as much as he does would appear so offended at someone calling him out on it. Bush clearly left all the major issues unaddressed except the fact that he wanted to find and kill terrorists. In fact, BOTH candidates said they wanted to "find and kill" terrorists (obviously TERROR was last nights debate drinking word as opposed to HALIBURTON for the Veep debate). While I felt the only issue Kerry did not address is the assertion that he missed a lot of senate votes. I wish he would have addressed it; since even though I'm staunchly anti-Bush, the fact that Kerry didn't respond to this makes me assume it's true and he has no legitimate defense. But see, it's not actually a very funny situtation, even though there is a lot to laugh at.



You Are "Dizzy and Giddy"

John Kerry







For some reason, a lot of people still think supporting Bush is a good idea.
In all honesty, I'd like to hear how any intelligent, non rascist, thinking person could possibly support Bush.
I think of him kinda like the new Double Decker Croissant breakfast snadwich at Burger King--it may look like a good idea at first glance, but that shit will kill you as soon as look at you. Clearly, niether entity gives a rat's ass about anyone so poor they have to eat at Burger King!

In other news, we're having a fanciful gathering tonight with chocolate chip caramel brownies which are filling my home with yummy whiff right about now. I also got stuff to make H a blueberry strudel since he likes those a lot. My sourdough did not rise overnight so I gave it another knead and am waiting to see how it goes. My first Amish yeast bread didn't turn out well either, so maybe it's like pancakes and you always have to waste the first one...

Comments on Kerry and Bush

[identity profile] aicerno.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
One will find lots of people doing non-sensical things. If it were truly a matter of principle, I'd as soon rather vote for Nader who agrees with me on about 90% of the present issues. While Kerry and Bush BOTH flip-flop on a variety of issues (although I will say anyone who's willing to change their mind in light and reality of new evidence is someone I want to be president. Not someone who is completely inflexible.).

I do not like how Kerry came to be where he is; essentially it boils down to the only criteria asked for in the opposition candidate to Bush is that he have a war record, and that he be the exact polar opposite of Bush. Neither of which is a good criteria to set for the job of presidency of the United States. I am also concerned about Kerry's comments, about finding and killing the terrorists. I think that they need to be brought to justice yes; but I am unsure as to whether or not they deserve to die (and for any of those who may be tempted to consider me a terrorist sympathizer; understand this: "Judge not, lest ye be judged." And for a sample from fiction, "Deserves death?! I daresay he does. But are you the one to kill him? It was the pity of Bilbo that stayed his hand, sparing Golumn's life. He may yet have some role to play.").

I would think that after having watched the Cold War play out, that we Americans as a people would realise that playing geopolitical frankenstein with other nations was a bad idea. Korea, Vietnam, Mogadishu; our troops are still out there cleaning up the shit that the policy advisors decided was instrumental to our "security," as well as funding the creation of such organizations as Al Qaida; as John F. Kennedy said of Diem back in 1962, "He may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch."

Followup comments to Kerry and Bush:

[identity profile] aicerno.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Between the FBI and the CIA, (Langely controlling the overseas end of the operation, the FBI overseeing the Domestic end) cocaine was run into the country and military grade weapons issued to groups such as the Crips and Bloods, thus igniting a major drug war between the two groups for the sole purpose of keeping the African Americans inline (as the KKK had been legally rendered "relatively" impotent towards that end). It seems the policy on that end could be read as thus: "If they can't be our slaves any more, might as well kill them. If we can't do it externally, might as well do it internally and let them kill each other off." The dismal showing in the fight against AIDS can be seen in a similar light (although STD's in general are not respective of age, race, or orientation; their treatment however, most certainly is).

Given the U.S.A's track record, in retrospect I am amazed that the world not only gave us as much support as they did, but how Bush squandered it (other than to pass such Constitution-crimping laws like the Patriot Act). My question for Kerry, is did he vote in favor of the Patriot Act? If he did so, then he's equally guilty as Bush is.

Then there was the act granting the President unlimited power, a carte blanche cheque as it were to engage in the "war on terror". Senator Byrd of West Virginia summed it up best, when he said, "I know a Gulf of Tonkin Resolution when I see one. I was tricked the first time, you will not trick me a second time." Senator Byrd is probably the most sensible person in the entire Legislature.

On that particular note, I see nothing wrong with a person changing their minds in light of new information; indeed, I feel that is one of the primary requisites for the job of presidency. At the same time, questions need to be asked that shake the foundations of both candidates for the electorate to truly know their worth.

The other thing I want my president to do is the following:

1. Get rid of the deficit, and make those members of US society who go out of their way to evade paying income tax (like Halliburton which bases its headquarters overseas for that very reason) and other members of the upper economic brackets who engage in the same (tax avoidance is one thing, tax evasion something else).

2. Become a member of the International Criminal Court.

3. WMD's a bad idea? Everyone else (like Iraq, Iran, Libya, etc.) have to get rid of them? Well guess what folks, so do the US and Russia, France, Great Britain, and China (who happen to be the five largest illegal arms dealers in the world). We've set the precedent that having these types of weapons is the measure of economic and political success in the world, combined with our past attempts at geopolitical frankenstein-playing (both US and Russia), the other countries see that they can engage in similar behaviour if they follow our example.

4. We need to join the International Criminal Courts, along with Russia, and both countries need to be held accountable for the destruction that they inflicted around the world during the time of the Cold War. If we want and desire a peaceful future, this will have to be the first step towards that future. People say that accountability for one's actions is very important; well, when will the U.S. and Russia be held accountable for their actions both locally and internationally? The second part of that is re-establishing the U.S. as a credible international partner, especially in Latin and South America where the distrust of our country is exceeded only by the feelings in the Middle East, however they are not as vociferous as the Middle East given our proximity to them.

5. The U.N. can only be as effective as its participants will permit it. IF having an international governing body is viewed as being in the best interests of the world, there cannot be any superpower (regardless of whether its the US, China, or Russia or other). Secondly, we as a country and our representatives to that body have to behave as model citizens within that body. We cannot afford to act as a rogue bully in the school yard.

Just my five cents on the subject.

Re: Comments on Kerry and Bush

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I see where you're going with that, and I don't dispute your points really. I'm not defending Kerry so much as slamming Bush. In fact, i was just telling my roomate how it would be interesting to see what we will end up hating about Kerry if he is elected. I already know what's in store for us with Bush, and as I've mentioned on the internets (sic) I don't likes it!

Obfuscation

[identity profile] felixbunay.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
A large percentage of congressional voting is procedural and largely meaningless.

Also, particularly in the Senate where there're only a hundred votes, the outcome of any particular vote is nearly always known in advance. If it's well established that either party has cornered the fifty-one votes, or the two-thirds in some cases, then those voting in the minority have very little compelling them to cast their 'losing' vote. This is doubly true when the issue is something stupid like 'flag-burning.' There is no good reason to cast a politically charged vote that can be construed as 'pro flag burning' when the totals are essentially pre-determined. And nobody is going to miss a vote where their vote will actually make a difference. Even Cheney will hotfoot it over to the chamber if the bill is going to cause a tie vote.

So, saying a Senator has missed a lot of votes is like saying that Bush hasn't done a lot of campaigning in Massachusetts or Kerry in Alabama. Popular votes in those states are going to be counted, but since there is no chance Bush will win Massachusetts or Kerry win Alabama they both feel safe ignoring them. In the same way, Kerry can safely ignore most votes in the Senate. Of course, Kerry can't say 'I missed those votes because they are meaningless,' because there are issues involved that are important to someone.

I'd much rather Kerry sit out meaningless Senate votes to campaign than Bush take four week vacations in Texas before he'd even been in office for six months...

Re: Followup comments to Kerry and Bush:

[identity profile] ex-jenniepan481.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I so agree with you!!!

[identity profile] foxy-moron01.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad I don't live in America!

[identity profile] everythingtold.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
When Bush said "I own a lumber comany?" I just started laughing - not at Kerry but... well basically I laughed because it was stupid. Of course I figured he owned stock in something but it's like... whatever. Yeah, I was a little pissed off when I watched the debate. I think Kerry did a damn good job. I prefer him over Bush anyway BY FAR.

[identity profile] gifgal.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
mmmm caramel brownies.....arghhhhhh

Re: Followup comments to Kerry and Bush:

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah...I agree with what you've said here.

And you know, I've never been clear on what gives US the right to determine who can have WMD's and who can't. Especially considering how long we've had them and how many times we've used them (or threatened to).

Re: Obfuscation

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you, I'd been wondering about that and you've cleared it up for me nicely. I can totally accept that explanation because it makes sense. It also makes sense why Kerry didn't explain it, because it would be like saying "voting is a waste of time" when that isn't really what he means.

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I made a GIANT pan of them and more than half od it got eaten by 5 people. It was ridiculous...Stoners!

Re: Obfuscation

[identity profile] aicerno.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
A so. As [livejournal.com profile] wednes says, that significantly clarifies matters. Thanks.

Re: Followup comments to Kerry and Bush:

[identity profile] aicerno.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Other than the fact that we can and have used WMD's before, I don't think there's much that gives the US the right to determine who can and cannot have WMD's (which I also think is part and parcel why everyone wants them, in case we randomly decide to use them as part of our preemptive strike).

[identity profile] haroeris-astrum.livejournal.com 2004-10-10 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
It has filled a gap of "enemy" since the end of the cold war -- as for UK, we have a situation worse than the Irish problem, with a definite threat of terror. All this in the name of Christianity, Amen!

[identity profile] wednes.livejournal.com 2004-10-10 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
Oh man...dont' get me started on that whole thing.

[identity profile] haroeris-astrum.livejournal.com 2004-10-10 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
I just couldn't leave it - your post sparked off my resentment for the self-righteous

[identity profile] derekfz.livejournal.com 2004-10-11 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
No matter how many times I reload this page, the loading progress stops at some point and I never see this photo you're referring to. What am I missing?

[identity profile] derekfz.livejournal.com 2004-10-11 08:15 am (UTC)(link)
also, that comment applied to a different entry. where did THAT one go? i have entirely too many windows open. i shouldn't even be here, i should be at work!